Still Konning the Christians, I See
Jan 10th, 2009 by BohemianMoon
I was planning to add my own commentary to the article today, but I see I am a bit late to the “party”. Many of the points I was to make, have already been touched upon and are in discussion, which is FAB.
So please feel free to jump in and continue talking! As you can see, the new couches have arrived, the bar is open, and Moon, in her appreciation of each and every one of you, even sprung for personal cubbies.
I do have one question though. Who is willing to run to the basement for more firewood? My it is 8 degrees outside and my tootsies (Tootsies? Did I just say Tootsie?!?!) are frozen. I don’t think that I could walk on ‘em even if I wanted to!
I JUST PUKED IN MY MOUTH, every word that comes out of her mouth is a crock of shit, why do some people still hang on every word? Why can people not see a con when its right in front of their eyes!!
Moon -
Thanx for the link.
This article has given me an easier place to start when I list Kate’s myriad of mental health problems -
She is without a doubt, PSYCHOTIC.
I offer up my proof: …taking care of twins and sextuplets “is beyond any human capability.” Really?
Hi Moon, I’ve been following your blog for quite sometime. I just have to say you are a hoot (a good thing ;)). You are so witty and I have always appreciated how well you know your own mind. You don’t let ANY one push you around and tell you how to think and what to say and that is something I respect. I also appreciate you giving your readers freedom of speech and not censoring what they have to say. So thank you for being a breath of fresh air!
As far as J&K+8, as a Christian myself, I have never felt duped or “konned” by them. We are all held responsible for our own lives and whether or not they are “true” Christians, so to speak, is entirely between them and their maker. Even those who have donated to them should not feel ashamed because God knows all of our hearts and we will all be judged accordingly. So those who donated in the spirit of love will only be blessed by their generosity. J&K will be judged for how they have used (or misused?) the gifts and blessings that have been given to them.
Here is my blog if you are interested:
http://diaryofahappywhitewoman-sassy.blogspot.com/
Kristie,
Because people (read sheeple) will believe what they want to believe. They view Kate as living a fairy tale they can only dream of and vicarously live it by watching and BELIEVING!!!!
What they can’t seem to grasp is the ‘fairy princess’ was bitten early on by the ‘Greed Demon’ and turned into the Wicked Witch.
I have lost all sympathy for the naive sheeple who refuse to verify and permit themselves to be fleeced. There comes a point in time especially with all the knowledge out there, that blind faith just doesn’t cut it anymore. IMHO.
The PR team is trying to undo the damage that Kate has done. They have taken things they have read on blogs and other interviews and made them into explanatory question and answers. They are getting desperate. It was all lies.
“But, we have a small home, Lord, remember?” LMFAO! What’s she say now? “We need a gardener and landscaper, Lord, remember?” That Lord of hers needs a to do list, so he can remember Kate Gosselin’s requests.
—so deep their eyes are brown!!
One of the greatest Kons pulled on the American public. I don’t get it either. Love this cartoon, Moon.
Jon is her only supporter.
For how long??
“Now in its fourth season, the show takes its millions of fans inside the Gosselins’ home, where there are strict rules, abundant laughter, frequent nagging, and constant praise for God’s provision.”
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Shouldn’t that read abundant nagging and some laughter? And what is this “constant praise for God’s provision’? I didn’t realize Figure8’s CEO was God!
“This past November, Kate, 33, and Jon, 31, released Multiple Blessings (Zondervan), a book chronicling their amazing pregnancy…”
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Now, that’s pretty Christian of ya’ll to mention BETH CARSON!!!
INTERVIEWER “And yet some people have been critical of the show.”
“Yeah. I definitely know there’s a lot of ugliness out there about us. Honestly, I think a lot of it’s because people squirm at how real we are.”
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Aaaahhhh, no, that isn’t it Kate. Want to try again? Your life is about as real as The Tales of Despareaux and without the moral.
“It shows how Jon is the peacemaker, the helper, the follower. And it shows how I’m the organized thinker who gets out-of-control in charge at times.”
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Jon=ball-less wonder
Kate=perfection psycho (get over it honey. It isn’t ever going to be perfect! I have no comment on the ‘thinker’ part of that…..
“But we do talk a lot about God’s blessings and provision. That’s a constant conversation in our house, one that started a long time ago when we didn’t have enough of something and God provided it. I’ve always made a point to say, “Oh my goodness, look what Jesus gave us.”
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Gosh! I have never heard anyone in that house actually thank ANYONE, much less God, for anything. God must also have a gigantic box store in heaven cause they sure get alot of cool toys, cell phones, clothes and trips from God!
INTERVIER “Will the show continue after the sextuplets go to school this fall?”
“I don’t know. You’d have to ask God. We don’t ever know where we’re going to be and what we’re going to be doing. I don’t have a grand plan anymore. I’m okay to be wherever God wants us.”
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The interviewer asked YOU Kate!! For someone as uber controlling as you are I find it interesting that you CLAIM to give so much of the everyday decisions in your life over to God, without taking SOME responsibility for your own actions. Are you sure God didn’t want you to stay in the house you just moved out of? How does God actually tell someone to move? I have alot of Christian friends and none of them have ever said they were moving because God told them to. Does He actually ‘talk’ to you? And He told you to move? And did He also tell you to take your children’s childhood and turn it into a three ring circus because, why again? Because He wanted you to move into a bigger house? Or because He knew you would be too busy to take your own videos and photos so HE wanted you to sell your kids’ souls so you could have ‘memories’?
You are first and foremost a complete and utter whack-job! Your answers to questions are so canned I hear Heinz is coming after you for copyright infringement.
What goes around Katie, comes around. And I am afraid you are gonna be bit in the ass big time!
Lisa,
“What goes around Katie, comes around. And I am afraid you are gonna be bit in the ass big time!”
From your mouth to God’s ears…..
It is amazing that the spa vists are financed by donations (Kates words not mine) from people. Amazing that she still accepts them, I would hate to be their accountant or worse yet the IRS interviewer. Does anybody feel she is saying they still need to send her money because she cannot afford to do this on her own? Biggest lie is they just started 2 months ago, guess she forgot she was going last year. We even see a visit in Utah with Beth. Kate tells so many lies after a while she believes them as truth herself. Its also impossible for her to keep those stories straight.
When Kate can’t give a straight answer, she says it was God’s fault. Wonder if she will tell the Heinz company that it was God who did it? Kate is always talking about her favorite bible verses, I quess she missed the ones on GREED!
BTW Moon I appreciate this site because it lacks alot of the childish stuff seen on other sites good and bad and the opportunity to post my two cents worth when I feel l need to do so.
I truly cannot believe these people! Just when I think they cannot surprise me I read yet another article like this. I find it very amusing that she thinks people say negative things because they are uncomfortable with how real they are??!!?? That is truly laughable. What makes me squirm is the blatant pandering for money and material things. Well that and the fact of all the discarded people that lay in their wake.
Long time lurker Moon, I <3 your blog!
It seems that a lot of people like to use the Gosselin’s spiritual beliefs against them as if being “Christian” means you’re not allowed to have flaws. It also seems a lot of people like to use this as an excuse for their disdain of J&K. Now with that said let me be clear, in no way am I here to defend J&K, nor am I here to bash them. I do not know them well enough personally to make a decision one way or the other and I am not foolish enough to believe everything I read online or see on a 20 minute show. I have noticed however that people like to throw out paraphrased bible verses to prove their point that J&K aren’t Christian as they claim. What I wonder is how these very people who like to show that J&K live against the word of the bible, themselves ignore verses like John 8:7 “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” And this one… Matthew 7:1-3 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ”
We are all human and no one is perfect. Please let us all take the time to remember this simple truth.
I think the only thing that can be “held against” J&K in the Christian realm is the lack of faith shown on the show itself. I don’t buy the “F8/TLC edits it all our prayers” out. If the family is doing family devotions and prayer every day as an expected habit, it would be difficult and awkward to edit around.
In fact, this quote supports that idea:
“But I struggle with family devotions. Obviously we have two different age groups in our family—and a lot of noise. So I can’t say devotions are happening on a daily basis.”
And:
“But I struggle with family devotions. Obviously we have two different age groups in our family—and a lot of noise. So I can’t say devotions are happening on a daily basis.”
(Source: http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2009/janfeb/1.22.html?start=3)
How about having the older girls help the younger kids learn simple prayers? (”Now I lay me down to sleep,” comes to mind.) It’s a way to strengthen the bonds between the two age groups as opposed to always making the twins go along with the younger children’s activities as is so often shown.
If we are truly seeing a slice of the family’s real life, as Kate herself acknowledge in the same interview:
[Question:] Do you feel the show captures you guys accurately?
[Answer:] I do. We actually forget the cameras are there a lot of the time. We don’t do anything differently when they’re on. Of course, sometimes they’ll edit things a certain way for the sake of drama.
There is nothing dramatic about seeing a family bowing its collective head in prayer to give thanks for the blessings they have received.
In fact, Jesus is pretty generous with this family: “That’s a constant conversation in our house, one that started a long time ago when we didn’t have enough of something and God provided it. I’ve always made a point to say, “Oh my goodness, look what Jesus gave us.” ”
We should all be such good Cbristians as to receive such bounty. And I hope the people who provided whatever was needed got a thank-you note along with Jesus.
Either life is more than some scriptures printed out on note cards or there is a certain lack of day-to-day Christian life in the household. The kids seemed absolutely challenged by the idea of giving thanks before dinner as shown in the Outer Banks’ episodes in 2008.
Was editing responsible for the shot of Kate eating before the ‘tup offering the prayer finished giving thanks in two sentences? I know we didn’t eat dinner before Grace was finished in my home.
Sorry, something is very off about all that to me. I do know this: if I wanted to keep a certain segment of the viewing audience on my side I’d make sure it was the Christian audience. Zondervan, anyone?
Sassy~
I do see that as well, however I do understand where people are coming with sentiments such as that. I am not positive though that I want to engage in a discussion regarding the meaning of verses. Verses are, like the whole of the Bible, certainly open to interpretation, hence the many wide and varying Judeo-Christian sects. So we could argue all day about the true meaning of different scripture even if we both consider ourselves Christians, and never really agree.
The Ten Commandments is relatively straight forward though, and parallels the tenants set forth in what could be referred to as the moral code, or “Golden Rule” that is a component of most of the World’s religions. In that aspect, I feel that all the world religions are more similar than they are different. So, in relation to Jon and Kate Gosselin, perhaps we should just concentrate on how closely they follow them?
I don’t think anyone is naive enough in their lives to expect perfection from people, whether it be family, friends or society as a whole, so when people (generic) state “Ah, give them a break, no one is perfect”, I don’t blink an eye as I do not feel people that do not support them are looking for perfection. I do not feel that expecting two able bodied adults to provide for their children, without stealing (refer to Commandment number Eight [no pun intended :)] ) and selling the childhoods of said children to support them, the adults, is asking for perfection.
Shall I go on?
As for the whole judging thing, please. There is not a person alive that doesn’t judge something in our lives every hour of the day. Think about it. So for me, the whole “You have no right to judge” cry is really a moot point. And quite frankly, I am pretty thankful for judgment. As an American woman I enjoy freedoms and rights because the brave and courageous women and men that went before me JUDGED the prevailing rights, or lack thereof, that women were granted and privy to.
And don’t even get me started on the societal judgments that occurred that presently allow the (limited) rights and protections that are enjoyed by American children in the year 2009.
Moon,
You just said it all!
Thanks
I just want to say that if Jon and Kate didn’t make a point to claim their Christianity, people wouldn’t be so quick to point out all of the un-Christian like things they do.
Moon-
I agree with you to an extent that scripture is up for interpretation. However, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” is just as clear imo as any of the ten commandments. I have had the opportunity to know people from several religious sects and they all take this verse at face value. But again the point isn’t scripture interpretation. The point I was trying to make was that everyone sins. Everyone has vises, weaknesses, addictions, etc. The saying “Nobody is perfect” might be overused and cliché but true nonetheless and I do feel that there is a misconception (not just in this blog, but in the world) that someone has to be sinless, perfect, never in a bad mood, never yell, never make a mistake…to be “Christian.”
As far as judgment… just because it is done doesn’t make it right. I agree with your argument about the judgment of rights. But this, however, is not the same thing as the judgment of a person. From a biblical perspective we are to question all things and seek truth always. We are to stand up for what is true and what is right. Standing up against injustice is within our right. That is why I do not argue about J&K’s motives or parenting style because I know some see it as and “injustice” to the children, to the public…whatever…and are just standing up for that “truth”. I don’t begrudge those who have come to this conclusion. I myself have not come to that truth. Again, I don’t feel I know them well enough to say one way or another and I do not feel comfortable going off of the info I see on TV or the internet.
To judge someone’s spirituality, however, is what I have a problem with because there is absolutely no way of knowing how sincere or insincere a person actually is in their relationship with God. Again, it is between them and their maker. If everyone who sins can’t be considered “Christian,” than Christians would not exist in this world.
Sassy,
My dislike for the Gosselins is all about the children and has nothing to do with religion or spirituality. However, as a non-Christian watching this family bilk church goers out of “love offerings,” it makes me wonder why Christians would want them as a representative of their community. I have a problem with them thinking Jesus supplied the items they needed. Jesus didn’t leave paper towels on their doorstep but neighbors, that they will not converse with, probably did.
Jesus is not an excuse for exploiting children or disrespecting your husband. I feel she is using her God’s “name in vain” by crediting him with all the bounty that has been handed to them.
Sassy not to begin a religious debate but that scripture is regarded as the most misquoted in the Bible. You only quote part of it Judge not lest ye be judged, but you didn’t add the rest of it. Here is a link for you to read if you choose. http://www.gospeljohn.com/judgenot.htm
In a debate I only want to add that many people have spoken of Christianity and taken a fall. Richard Roberts, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker to mention a few. Anytime we depend on or trust solely in a person we will be disappointed. You also fail to mention the verse that tells us to try the spirits to seek discernment. If I feel kate is not sincere then I have all rights to choose not to support her. Not watch her show, buy her book, send her gifts or money, see her speak. To me that is acknowledgment that I am seeing her as someone I do not trust. I think that is fair for us to judge,
Sassy~
I really did not want to get into an interpretation debate regarding Christian scripture because of the interpretation thing, as previously stated. I too have many friends of not only a number of Judeo-Christian sects, but friends of many of the world’s religions, and again, “Do not Judge, or you too will be judged” isn’t taken always in the way you are interpreting it.
Everyone has vises, weaknesses, addictions, etc. The saying “Nobody is perfect” might be overused and cliché but true nonetheless and I do feel that there is a misconception (not just in this blog, but in the world) that someone has to be sinless, perfect, never in a bad mood, never yell, never make a mistake…to be “Christian
No one is perfect, as I said. But many people do try to live by an accepted moral code - “Golden Rule”. I never imply that people of any religious sect need to be perfect. I believe the problem for some people come in when people use their religion as a crutch for bad behaviour or loose moral code. They use religion as a ruse, and I feel that those are the issues that people have with the Gosselins and their religion. It just so happens the Gosselin’s religion is Christianity. If they were of another religion, people would be saying the same thing regarding their behaviour, but stating that other religion obviously instead of Christianity.
As far as judgment… just because it is done doesn’t make it right. I agree with your argument about the judgment of rights. But this, however, is not the same thing as the judgment of a person. From a biblical perspective we are to question all things and seek truth always. We are to stand up for what is true and what is right. Standing up against injustice is within our right. That is why I do not argue about J&K’s motives or parenting style because I know some see it as and “injustice” to the children, to the public…whatever…and are just standing up for that “truth”. I don’t begrudge those who have come to this conclusion. I myself have not come to that truth. Again, I don’t feel I know them well enough to say one way or another and I do not feel comfortable going off of the info I see on TV or the internet.
I do not feel that judgment of a person and judgment of rights are mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary. How can rights of a person, culture, society change if it isn’t through the judgment of the people and the people’s actions within that culture/society? Someone has to say something is wrong, or by the same token right for any law, rule or more of a society is established. Where do you think the Ten Commandments/Golden Rule came from, or more importantly, why. Because there has to be some guideline/post for society to look towards to know what is and is not acceptable. Obviously all cultures/societies have their own rules outside of any religious dogma as well. Why?
Rules and law are made/changed because something in that society was not working so well. As humans are THE cog of this wheel called life, setting up societal more is vital to functioning society. I do not see how you can separate behaviour from the judgment and the resulting rights that a person may enjoy in a functioning society. Women and children of all “races” used to be chattel of their husbands/fathers in the US. African Americans were chattel as well. A man could beat his wife and children if that was his choice. It was acceptable behaviour, until people started to judge it and say, hey wait a minute here.
You get the idea.
To judge someone’s spirituality, however, is what I have a problem with because there is absolutely no way of knowing how sincere or insincere a person actually is in their relationship with God. Again, it is between them and their maker. If everyone who sins can’t be considered “Christian,” than Christians would not exist in this world.
Well, not everyone believes in God, or the same God that you do, so I assert for a melting pot society, we are back to the Golden Rule thing.
Sassy- As a person who has never practiced any religion, and a poster here for quite some time, I have to say, I do not think a lot of people here “like to use their spiritual beliefs against them”. If they were not on TV every week proclaiming things to be true that they infact show the opposite to every episode, there would be nothing to talk about. Nobody hates them because they are christian, or even bad christians, like you said that is between them and whatever form of god they choose to worship….the problem is with the blatant lies they tell over and over week after week, and the irreversible damage they have already done and continue to do to their children. The people they con money out of who don’t even know them, and probably need it more themselves than the couple that just bought a multi million dollar GREEDSLIN COMPOUND. Most people here comment and discuss things because we are worried about the kids and how we can help them and how disgusted we are with their wretched parents. I have found that most of the time when people quote scripture here, it is helpful to me (a non religous poster) to see where they are straying on their beliefs, but also as a sort of reminder to the two that we are aware of their lies…I find most things are common sense, but for a woman who claims they are SOOOOOO FREAKIN religous and it is such a huge part of their life, they might actually practise it on a regular basis so their kids realize they have a religion, and also then they wont look like liars.
I really don’t think it is fair that you make it sound like we are judging them negatively based on thier spiritual beliefs, if you read back, thats absolutely not the case, we judge them on their piss poor decision making, parenting skills, life skills, lack of morals, respect, love, compassion, affection, and attention towards their children, and most importantly sitting on their lazy asses, on their small childrens backs so that they no longer need to support their kids since clearly if they exploit said children they can support their ridiculously greedy, money grubbing parents instead. To hell with a proper, happy, loving childhood. To hell with childrens rights. All hail Queen Jon and of course King Kate, heaven forbid I forget him, er, I mean her!
Sassy-
I am in the same boat as Kristie above. Not a practitioner of any particular religion but have participated in services of many different ones.
I do not have a problem with the Gosselins and whatever religion they have chosen to practice. On the contrary, I don’t believe it is ever really brought up until Kate starts in with her “It’s not my fault, God made us do it” speeches.
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Something I have NEVER actually seen or heard Kate Gosselin do. She is the one who foists everything that happens in their lives off onto God’s lap.
You are correct, no one IS perfect. But I personally don’t know anyone who practices a religion that blames their foilbles on God either. Kate seems to have a direct line to Him.
“But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto Me: for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
(Matthew 19:14)
I don’t think he meant take away their precious childhood moments, broadcast them to the ends of the earth and act like you were directed to do so by the Lord Almighty!
Lisa~
Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions.
Yep, part of that whole “Free Will” thing.
Sassy- I do not think it takes personal knowledge of a person to come to a decision that letting the whole world view your children’s personal moments i.e. using the bathroom, and bathing, is in fact poor judgment. Just imagine how embarrassing this must be at school for Mady and Kara. What are they teaching their children by living off of the money of others while living like royalty? By living in the public eye are they not putting themselves in a position to be judged? Their children have no privacy and no say about it. This discussion is not really about her faith it is about her moral character or should I say lack of. If enough people talk about the way these young children are being exploited maybe the network will finally do something about it, the scary thing is how will the children be treated when the cameras are gone and they are of no monetary value anymore? It is a scary thought that a good thing could very well turn out to be a very bad thing, just imaging Kate pissed off, broke without her little spa break, then what?
Sassy, I hate to say it, but it appears very clear to me that you have judged people here and have come to set us straight. You have judged the discussion of the Gosselins flaws and failings to be a failing of ours. Might we not also be given that same generosity of accepting our flaws and failings and move on?
I must also add that if Christians were truly never ever to look at the behavior of other Christians, then St Paul was sure out of line writing all those epistles trying to correct the behavior and beliefs in the early church.
“And read on for our conversation with this exhausted, faith-filled, and refreshingly real woman.” Are they frigging kidding me?! Faith-filled?? Refreshingly real?? This rag of a publication is pure propaganda. Kate can verbally, emotionally, and psychologically abuse her kids day after day and keep her husband’s balls in a jar - this constitutes a “faith-filled” woman? These fundamentalist evangelicals give Kate carte blanche to be an evil bitch - all because she didn’t reduce. They and their warped view of “Christianity” make them enablers of child exploitation. This is sick and disgusting.
I feel able to judge her Christianity by Kates own words–
Kate said, one of the reason they choose the church they attend now-the nursey could accomdate the Tups & no one bothers us–
What?–That is not the reason you attend church –You are there to be in fellowship with other Christians–Kate’s big mouth told everyone the kind of Christian she is—With each & every love offering Kate disgraces herself—-Kate may be a Christian, she does not practice what she preaches–She can talk the talk, she doesn’t walk the walk–Kate Gosselin is the worst sort of Christian-
Kate Gosselin is an exploiter of children–Kate Gosselin does not follow the teachings of the bible in being a wife, mother or child–Kate Gosselin is a liar, no guessing it’s all out there for the world to see-The argument of not judging is BS–Kate Gosselin doesn’t need to be judged–She tells us how she thinks & feels–Why would we not believe her, maybe b/c she is a liar?–I judge her a liar b/c of the lies she tells–Kate Gosselin is a walking contradiction–
Ok, I did have a response all written out but somehow during the process of posting it, it was lost.
Anyway just to be clear I was not judging ANY one on this blog, because I do in fact value everyones opinions, even and especially when they differ from my own. Nor was I here to debate J&K’s parenting style, or despute those of you who truly feel you are watching out for the children. I also never said I felt J&K were being picked on BECAUSE of their religion. What I said was, and Moon agreed with me to a point, that some people like to use the bible to try to show that J&K aren’t as “christian” as they claim to be. I just find this ironic.
Search for truth~ I do not feel I misquoted the verse as I did quote it all in my op, and just because one website says something doesn’t make it so. I think for anyone to feel they are “righteous” enough to judge others is a very dangerous way of thinking, and I believe it is this very way of thinking that leads so many to persecute others in the name of religion.
Moon~ I have read your blog for quite sometime and have grown to love you and value and respect your opinion. Because of this I will not push the matter of judgement any further and will just respectfully agree to disagree.
Unfortunately, I do not have time to respond to everyones comments, but I do appreciate the time all you ladies took to respond to me and again value the opinion of everyone here.
I have tried not to look at the show anymore or look at the articles about the Gosselins because it was all getting to be too much. I couldn’t wrap my mind around a family who could say one thing (We love God, We must be kind to others) and than act so differently (Alexis is a “disturber”, say goodbye to your teddy bear it’s gone because it has gum on it, I’m making “organic” soup for the winter??? I mean seriously WTFFFF!!!) I am a mom of four who has good days with her kids and yes bad days and yes I have said some things that I regret and hey I wish there had been a camera there to catch me and then maybe I could have learned from that to become a better parent and person but this bull@#$T that Kate spews is outrageous. She truly seems to believe that she is doing the right thing and how dare we?? I am stunned into not silence but action. How can I get this nonsense to go away (especially since my 8 year old has found it and fallen in love with the show
Thanks for again letting me rant
IMO KON treats their alleged faith as a cost of doing business.
Just another column is their ledger.
Just another item on their ‘to do’ list.
It’s as simple as that.
IMHO k has defied God from day one - she’s sterile remember.
Her family skism for another - people generally work hard to
prevent a problem rather than causing one.
Nothing will please this gal - she’ll wait so long for her ship to come in that the pier collapses!
We have all seen or experienced a similiar situation with a friend or family member - material things, selfish, generally unconcerned about another person but themselves. Of course, it probably takes years for the bite on the a**.
Thanks for the thought provoking subject matters - we really need to take stock. Thanks again for your great site.
hank You Sassy, so well put and so true.
Moon.
I am sending some warmth to you. It is 72 degrees here, and sunny.
My take on Kate, with her always using God’s name for everything she does, might have to do with her father. Perhaps Kate is trying to please her father, in a-round-about-way, by always talking about God.
I used to be a big supporter of Richard and Oral Roberts. I had watched their show for 30 years. I sent them monthly donations, and now I feel betrayed by them.
The is how I feel about Kate. In the beginning I liked her, and then the more I watched her, the better I got to know, the “real” Kate.
God loves everyone, but probably prefers “fruits of the spirit” over “religious nuts.”
Sassy~
And I value your opinion. As I have stated on my blog on numerous occasions, differing opinions that are stated with thought, intelligence and decorum are not only welcome on Musings, they are encouraged. Most folks’ circle of friends are comprised of people much like themselves, in thought and action. We are not always privy to widely differing views in our daily lives. It is good to discuss differing opinions, for if we didn’t we would never really be able to question and evaluate our own
And as for the scripture, I am right back to that interpretation thing
You are appreciated, Sassy. And I thank you for being a part of a thoughtful discussion!
Patty Ann~
God loves everyone, but probably prefers “fruits of the spirit” over “religious nuts.
Great quote, I love it!
Syl~
I agree, as callous as that sounds. It comes across to me as an easy convenience; something to spout when needed, but certainly not lived.
I have noticed in a lot of Kate’s interviews she contadicts herself a lot. She says in one statement that She knows it looks like she is ordering Jon around, but he literally asks her to, then she turns around and says everybody wishes she would lay off. I think she is telling so many lies that she can no longer keep them straight. Once she said that the show would go on as long as it was ok with the kids, now it is going to continue as long as it is ok with God.
Emily~
I feel that the dire effects of this entire show on the children and the family as a whole will not be felt in it’s totality for years, and it will take years and probable therapy to achieve wholeness and healing.
I have asked supporters since I started writing about the show to please provide studies/abstracts from any mental health professional/parenting professional that states that this type of environment is a healthy way to rear children. I have yet to receive any. If you have not read about the Dionne Quints, please do. There is, IMO, no difference between Quint Land and Gosselin Land, other then the fact that the technology has changed. All five of the Dionne Quints were terribly, terribly affected regarding their exploitation - devastatingly so. And negatively affected the whole of their adult lives. Sad, simply sad, yet totally avoidable if someone, anyone, had put those children first.
I have read that a great number of mothers do not allow their children to watch the show, for a variety of reasons. Do you feel that your eight year old may be affected by watching it? If so, in what way?
Karma~
Excellent point!
lisak~
I agree. The inconsistencies that they spout, repeatedly, are mind blowing. I just read a blurb article regarding her church talk this weekend in the Mohawk Vally, NY. Again, from what this “reporter” was writing, the talk was revolving around how poor and desperate they were. And how Jon lost his job because of insurance issues. Which is BS, total and complete BS. But as of January 2009, she is STILL spouting off these lies, in a church no less, and asking naive people to believe it. From the article:
“As a couple, the Gosselins endured tough times that included Jon’s losses of employment after employers decided the costs to insure his family would be too burdensome.”
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x743979564/Star-of-TV-s-Jon-and-Kate-pays-visit-to-Mohawk-Valley
It is ill, it is truly ill.
Is the site still on Greenwich time???
You can see where little kids would be attracted to the show -
until certain behavior is exhibited.
The g’s should be out doing some volunteer work to see how the other half lives - honestly believe they are unemployable.
They are using God as a scapegoat, imho.
louise~
Yes, it is. I need to change it, thanks for the reminder!
Scapegoat to be sure, IMO.
Did you see the latest entry?
“Once she said that the show would go on as long as it was ok with the kids, now it is going to continue as long as it is ok with God.”
How very convenient, and how very Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. Remember them? Bilking millions from trusting Christians who believed them when they said they were called by God to build that Christian theme park outside of Charlotte NC. Being called by/led by God is the scam artist’s sure thing. Just say, “God has led me to….” (fill in the blank with assorted scams) and then stand back and watch the money roll in. IMO the Gosselins are just another version of the Bakers, using their faith as a smoke screen for profiting from the exploitation of their children. Keeping those kids on TV as long as God is leading them to do it makes the exploitation okay because if God says so, it’s really not expolitation, right? With the added benefit that it takes the responsibility out of their hands: I’m powerless, it’s in God’s hands. This article is only a continuation of their ongoing scam to deflect attention from the core issue: that they’re two unemployed parents using their children to provide the family’s income.
Gator~
Truly great post and I totally agree!
I that the only way he is affected by it is by his own kindness, if that makes sense. Let me explain. I was watching one night and he wandered in and just sat down. I started talking to him about things like that this isn’t how mom and dad talk to each other and what would you do if you had this many brothers and sisters (remember he does have 3 - one brother and two sisters). He looked and me and said why can’t that little boy play with the doll? I was stunned so I explained that some people believe that playing with dolls somehow effects that child. I don’t think he really understood but we continued watching (yes, I’ll admit it was a marathon and I was bored and folding laundry and enough excuses
We then saw Mady acting up and he said she just wanted “Good attention” and Why couldn’t she get it? I am always amazed at my kids and the kindness they have but the hug I gave him was a bit too long for him and he wandered off but he still asks me to get J&K on Netfilx because he wants to see all the “fun places they get to go and we don’t”
P.S. That’s my kid and I love him
and my first word should have been IN but I was crying so much (guess I am really proud of this kid and it’s nice to share 
Thanks, Moon. I’ve read here for quite a while but have only posted recently. I’m way overdue in letting you know how much I’ve enjoyed your blog, the topics, your insights, the level of discussion. Thanks for all you do to keep this bright spot on the Internet!
Emily~
Well, it looks as though for your bright lil’ “boogie”, Jon and Kate Plus Eight could be great opportunity to be used as a learning tool. I have heard this as well. That parents with older children have used the show as a basis of discussion on and off family dynamics and familial respect. Also of a wonderful basis for how hard work and team work within a family allows to family to function at and in a healthy way. Obviously this is glaringly absent within that household, and could allow for a great discussion on that dynamic/dysfunction.
For the little ones, though, I have heard more moms state that they no longer allow their child/ren to watch simply because of the dysfunction as well as the I-get-anything-I-want-for-no-effort that is prevalent on the show for both the parents and the children. There is no way I would have let my small child watch that show. The lack of respect shown from them all, parent to parent, parent to child and child to child is something that I don’t call entertainment. It is, however, not the children’s fault. That lies directly on the parents themselves.
It is a shame…..a true shame.
Gator, you are my new BFF. Your description of God wants us to ______ fill in the blank a la the Bakers and others throughout history to con the masses was right on, sister. Yes, how very convenient for them.
Gator~
And you are a wonderful addition to Musings! So happy you came out of the “shadows” to lend your insight to the discussions at hand
Moon - this is what I left on their site:
“Whether she is Christian or not is only up to God to decide. My problem with this woman is that just COMMON decency seems to be out of her reach: yelling at and hitting her husband, demeaning her children within earshot (and they’ll see it again from reruns) and acting ENTITLED to everything she has received because of EXPLOITING those 6 precious souls. Research the Dionne Quintuplets - the parallels are scary and sobering. I honestly am scared for those kids - it seems the money given for the show - has corrupted the parents. The sin of AVARICE and GREED is keeping them from seeing what their actions are DOING to their children. No one NEEDS a huge mansion - we may aspire to it - but the mansion WE await is the one with our Lord. They are NOT a struggling family in a THIRD world country - they’ve had nice home(s) all along and moved TWICE now on the show. Who benefits? Who really pays for it? Those children! - PRAY PRAY PRAY that the Gosselin 8 are freed from this EXPLOITATION!!! “
Her sense of entitlement is just disgusting! A spa once a month. Lovely - way to save $$ for the college funds — that’s right people, send Kate some money so she can be massaged 12 x a year…it makes her a better Mommy when she has her toes and fingernails painted.
I get positively steamed when she talks about HER choices as being in God’s hands. I agree with the previous posts…it’s called Free Will.
She constantly talks about her marriage crumbling. This incessant insecurity about the strength of her marriage would be unnecessary if she would treat him with an ounce of respect or like her “best friend”.
Finally - “…Honestly, I think a lot of it’s because people squirm at how real we are. I think it bothers some people because it makes them think, If cameras were at my house, what would they capture? Would I be okay with that being aired?”
People squirm because you ARE NOT real. Your home is a set and you have turned your children into the talent with staged segments simulating their “real life”. I never think about what cameras would capture at my house because I would NEVER invite them in!
Toni~
Excellent post, thank you. The taking of “money people have sent me over the years and going to the spa” thing was my “favorite” part of that “interview”. Yeah, while she simultaneously exploits her children further by selling their pictures for $20.00 a pop under the guise of using said money for the college funds.
Before anyone calls foul, I am ALL for moms taking time for themselves and treating themselves to something special, as long as the money is not from people thinking that they are giving it to a mother to help her take care of her 8, COUNT THEM- 8 kids. As long as it is not for a mother that appealed the State of Pennsylvania for another year of a tax payer provided nursing service because, you know, society developed fertility drugs and as such, society should help support said kids that resulted from those fertility drugs. Just as long as it is not for a mother who didn’t take no for an answer regarding the tax payers funded nurse’s time being concluded and appealed for another year even though her children were healthy. Just as long it is not for a mother that refused to tap the $100,000 of equity that was in their home to pay for the “direly needed nurse”. You know, the $100,000 of equity that was added due to the money and sweat filled effort of the Home Delivery show and their (previous) church members.
Just as long………………………………….
I have to sound off somewhere and this is as good a place as I can find. The parents of the Jones quintuplets are seeking community assistance. Yes, the quints are expensive, but please for goodness sake be honest. The diapers at 1,200 a month is OK. That was probably our peak. I know it was Costco cases a week - two to three a week I think especially early on. The grandparents, bless them, would do the run and buy them at least a couple times a month so we only had to pay for about half the diapers. The 85 cases of formula makes no sense to me unless they are talking ready to feed. I remember buying the Costco size two pack of powder and using two of those a week or 2 1/2. We may have used 3 (6 Coscto size cans) a few weeks. I can’t see that equally 85 cases of regular powdered formula. Who in their right mind buys ready to feed these days even for singles unless it’s for travel? I’ll go out on a limb with the 1,500 jars of baby food and say dumber than dirt on that one. You have five babies and you’re buying jars that are tiny? I bought not a lot of jarred baby food with the singles and almost none with the quints. Buy bananas and mash them with a bit of formula. It takes seconds and is easier than opening a bunch of little jars. Regular applesauce works just fine as long as you buy unsweetened or make your own. Steam some peas or greenbeans and run them through a food mill or the food processor. You have enough for five, know what’s in it, and costs the price of only one or two jars. I would make regular oatmeal after just the very few first boxes when they got used to eating off a spoon. For lunch I’d cook a bunch of chicken breasts and then defrost one and cook two or three cups of vegetable and then run it all through the food processor. Beef was even easier. I’d cook a couple of round steaks cut up in the crock pot with a bit of tomato juice and after six months a bit of onion. After 12 hours in the crock pot it didn’t even need to be processed they could eat it just fine.
I’m still shaking my head at 1,500 jars of baby food a month. The logistics of buying that and finding a store with enough or going to multiple stores, storing all those jars, and then the waste of sending them to the landfill. I hope they at least recycle the jars. Call me crazy, but it was so much easier to me to use regular food slightly modified. There was no problem with getting them off babyfood either. I remember a mom at a multiples meeting asking how to get her fifteen month old triplets off babyfood. I really couldn’t help her since my answer would have been don’t start it.