Musings from the Moon

I absolutely cannot believe that anyone is still investing any time out of their life on this person. And they say the Gosselin haters need to get a life?

Saint, I mean, Curious, why should the post be removed?

You know when you were a kid and someone teased you incessantly so you told the teacher or your mom and the advice was to “ignore them and they will stop” ?? Well, maybe if we ignore psycho P-Momma, she will stop. Ya think? By continuing to follow her drama, we are feeding into her sickness. Ignore!!!

Since this whole situation has been played out on the Internet for everyone to read about, and comment about, there’s nothing wrong about adding another chapter to the ongoing story.
Over on another blog, the PM saga has been discussed back and forth for months, with certain posters recently admitting they created Internet identities to get information from Berlzebub and Calladus, among others.
What is posted here is public record and as Moon states, freely brought to Possum’s public by Possum herself. All this anguish over the kids’s ability to read about themselves on the ‘net pales compared to what they’ve had to live.
I think that like a certain reality TV family, Possum is subject to comments as soon as she opens the door to her personal life. If I did that, I’d not be surprised at the same response.

The comments I am referring to were on the current open discussion thread and have been deleted now. This is not the first time it has been “open season” on other posters on this particular blog. I think revealing someone’s name is disturbing enough…don’t you?

Sorry new to all of this please forgive. Would anyone be willing to email me and let me know where/how all of this started and whatnot so I don’t feel quite so dumb
Thanks

momof5
The comments I am referring to were on the current open discussion thread and have been deleted now. This is not the first time it has been “open season” on other posters on this particular blog. I think revealing someone’s name is disturbing enough…don’t you?

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I am sorry, I am still not following. What comments have been deleted? (I am not aware of any).
Are you referring to the poster that was discussed that has a blog that reveals a lot of personal information about herself and her ex-husband and child? No personal information was revealed on Gosselins Do Not Need Pity about this poster to my knowledge. It is true that is would be easy to find her blog where she herself reveals the information, but I think that possibility rests on her shoulders. She apparently feels comfortable with the information that is out there.
If I am completely missing the mark, I would appreciate you citing examples where someone’s “name” or other personal information was revealed. Thank you.

Let’s just forget this whole thing, why don’t we? Why are we still giving it our time and attention? Move on.

#18 Joyce~It’s still getting our time and attention b/c this person lied, manipulated, hurt people, and even benefitted financially from her schemes. She needs help and perhaps now she will have to get it!

As of 4:12 PM Eastern Time

Mom said…
themrs -

I was included in emails from PennMommy/Corrine Marie, etc. along with several others and yes, there was a Julie in that group, however, no one EVER contacted me (momofone07) about any hunches or accusations, etc. And, no other mod from here was in that group.

I still have all the emails and names, but prefer to keep that private as I’m sure those ladies wouldn’t want their info out there.

When I first emailed penn mommy it was PRIOR to me being a mod here and it was to offer support. It was actually the email from “William” that made me think it was a hoax. Not necessarily a smoking gun, but definitely “interesting” to say the least.

Considering the person behind this entire scam, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of the girls in the email group weren’t real either, just more characters in her little (LARGE) theatrical productions.

January 2, 2009 6:22 PM

#27Trina-
Julie’s name may be common, and may be mentioned ALL over the place. Her FIRST name.
I have never seen her last name until GDNNOP posted it four or five days ago.

“And, sorry Moon, but who is looking out for the Gosselin children when all the slimy sarcastic comments are being made about their parents? ”

I would expect their parents to be looking out for them.
That means if they are aware there are people posting rude comments about them, that the parents would reconsider their means of employment, and make sure the kids weren’t available for the exposure.
Simple as that.

I’ve just popped some popcorn, and grabbed a beer.

This is like watching a boxing match, and Moon you are the undisputed Heavy-Weight Champ.

Give ‘er!

Moon,
If you knew that this post hurt her children, would you take it down?
Saint/Curious

Hello Moon,
A bit annoyed as my previous first post disappeared as I tried to submit before entering in my email address. Grrrr technology. First time poster, so please bear with me.
I will try again and give a more condensed version. I came to your site a couple of weeks ago, after some researching to find more about the discrepancies, I was seeing on the G’s show.
I of course first found GWOP, the GDNOP site, etc. I was actually surprised to see what a big topic that show was for discussion. It was a guilty pleasure kind of show for me, but I became disillusioned, as I began to see obvious favoritism, and the negative family interactions.
At first I thought the GWOP site was very good, because they were advocating for the children, however after a time I began to see it was more about commenting on K’s hair, her poor vocab, J’s lack of balls, etc. While all of this is true, it is at the end of the day not helpful for the children. It doesn’t change anything and while people watch the show will continue. Money is the God of the USA. I enjoyed reading your blog, as I thought it was much kinder, yet still witty. At the GWOP site it was the fascination with the commentary that had me reading.
In any case it was your blog that helped me put it into perspective. I had never heard of Caylee Anthony before your site. What started as curiosity to who this person was, turned into shock and sadness that such a thing could happen. Now THAT is a sick family. The G’s while, greedy and dumb do love their children and I hope they realize soon that being in the public eye constantly is NOT a good thing.
However I digress, my interest in reading comments on blogs/articles about the G’s led me the whole Penn Mom/Poussum Momma thing. All I can say is SAD and pathetic. I feel for those who were tricked into caring about this person(s) and gave of their time, heart, love and prayers.
However I feel this post, to be just the kind of thing this person wants- Attention. I also feel like the tone of this post is very vengeful, and bitter nothing at all like your other posts on the matter. I know you didn’t write, it and I know you have your reasons for posting it, but this is just my comment.
The whole psych thing is, I think standard in divorce cases, especially when custody is disputed. I know when my parents divorced, I had to speak to a psychiatric doctor, as did my friends whose parents were involved in custody battles. Anyway I know you and others were hurt by this, but really, this person or person is, I am sure paying the price, as her marriage is falling apart due to her addiction to the virtual world.
Anyhow, I hope this isn’t taken the wrong way. I appreciate your posts .

Absolutely.
How about you?
Curious/Saint

Marly, RE #25:

Marly said “A simple comment stating she had been fooled like the rest of us would have put my mind at ease, but with all the conspiracy theories going around at the time and no comment from her, I was left to wonder why she vouched for this woman. I no longer think she had anything to do with it, but I also no longer believe anything she says.”

Will you believe anything I say? I haven’t said much after being fooled by PM either. What is there to say? Perhaps Julie is erring on the side of caution because PM was THAT GOOD at fooling people. I was fooled, but I’m not a liar just because I was taken in.

Heavy Sigh. I don’t know how to feel about any of this today, frankly. Wishing it would go away won’t make it so, and it’s pushing too many hot buttons with people to sweep it under the rug. No amount of debating on either side will put this matter to rest. One thing I know for sure: Once I put something “out there” on the internet, even if I delete it, someone will have it somewhere. If I do it, I own that action, and I’m responsble for it. And nothing anyone, anywhere takes that responsibility away from me. No amount of support or detraction, debate etc - nothing. Blaming someone else, hiding behind an illness or circumstances - whatever, it doesn’t change the fact that you own what you do. And hey - people can figure out “who I am”, so I, you, we all have to be mindful of that and respresent ourselves accordingly. And if you are going to have someone’s back on the internet, make damn sure you know who you are dealing with. Julie learned the hard way. So did I. It doesn’t make us liars - just better judges of character. It doesn’t make us stupid - it makes us smarter. It also doesn’t make us accountable to random strangers. Usually, the less you say, the more you actually get across.

Thanks Moon
Wow, I had no idea that the blog world was so intense, and that people are getting so angry and defensive.
You have a right to post what you like, and even if others do not agree with everything or nothing that you say this is still your right.
This person P Mom made her divorce info public, she WANTS the attention. That is why the whole thin started. If she really cared about her kids she would spend more time in her real life than in her multiple virtual ones.

Not your truth, Moon.
Just the personal stuff.
Saint/Curious

If concern for the children were at the heart of any of this, there would have been attempts to discontinue the discussions on blogs for the past few months.
Instead, we see Curious/Saint and a couple other “names” who did a lot of Internet searching - more than many others on many different blogs and sites - and went to great lengths to find info on Possum. Why? What was the purpose behind the questions on blogs and the long debates? Did thoughts of Possum’s children stop them at any point during that investigation?
For that matter, did Possum’s own concern for her children stop her from blogging about them, or causing trouble all over the Internet? If she cared about them before this, she would have stopped - if she can stop herself. However, her clean-up attempts on her blog now that her husband is seeking legal action make it clear that she is able to discern the kind of issues she has caused for herself.
If concern for children is paramount, mods on boards could have refused to publish comments about Possum or Julie or Kate herself that are derogatory or purely speculative. But they didn’t. To cry foul now seems disingenuous.
So again, concern for children seems to be a smoke-screen - for everyone.

I didn’t mean to bully. I don’t even really want to comment publicly, but for some reason you’re not getting my emails. i think I sent 3. I don’t know what to do about that. My husband got some from me today, so I know my “send” works, and I got the one you sent this morning so I am receiving. Can it be a setting on your end?
Saint/Curious

Curious/Saint is on the ropes!

Making meek apologies, and claiming IT issues seem Fiona-like. Turning issue around on other seem Fiona-like.

Birds of a feather…

Dear Moon,

HURRAH! and YIPPEEE-EYE-OH! I’m SO GLAD this finally happened. Oh, me-oh-my…I do NOT mean the divorce of the Penns or Mommys or whom-ever-they-are as the children are concerned… I mean the total VINDICATION of you for all those stupid ignorant ugly haters out there!

I remember when this plethora of Pennpoop was going on; I had just discovered GWoP and this thing called “blogging”. (o.k., so I’m almost 50 and about two decades behind everyone else.) All of a sudden right after Jason-the-invisible-child “died”, Fiona-one-of-the-moderators disappeared along with the Mommy. It was kinda weird but I chalked it up to M.Y.O.B. re: GWoP because no one ever asked about them (I thought).
Then I discovered your blog and I thought WOW! Look at all this cool stuff - this place is far fucking out!
Then I realized almost every single comment was from some asshole trashing you about “Pennmommy”, saying things like “You made this all up”, “You’re a liar, Moon” but they had these awful names for you and didn’t call you ‘Moon’. I could tell by the tone of things and your consistently consistent replys to these ugly UGLY people, like your “I will come to my own truth when I have time to research it…” remark, that YOU were innocent of ALL charges and those poster people were, well, fucked (and very young). And there were SO MANY of them every day on your website. I thought “what is the big deal?” Now, I finally understand it: Ms. Penn’s myriad of personalities and her psycho stories were so numerous and SO cunningly convoluted that anyone with half a brain would know it was impossible to make a snap decision about whether or not she was for real - as the haters had - regarding P. and her multitude of myopic messes. For all my searching of this newfound fun called ‘blogs’, I am positive YOU were the ONLY ONE on the internet who used your time and CREDIBLE resources to investigate P.’s deceitful dealings; no snap judgments for you. Ever.

What was so amazing to me through the months following the discovery that P. was indeed a mealymouthed phony, was the downright CRUELTY with which the haters responded to you. It was as if YOU were the one who had disappointed and duped them, only to ultimately deprive them of their daily ‘fix’ of Gosselin insider tidbits that always left them begging for more…more… I suspected you may have become their scapegoat of disillusionment when Pee fell out of favor; lasciviousness, in its warped way, had become their drug of choice. In an instant it was gone and they bitched through fraudulant withdrawl.

So that’s how I saw it, viewed through virgin blogger’s eyes. It scared me and I didn’t come back for almost six months I’m ashamed to say. The standard nicities and everyday etiquette were absent in this brand new to me world of ‘blogging’ I’d discovered one boring June afternoon. I’m grateful to my curiosity for getting the better of me by October and I returned.
Ain’t love grand? Karma is even grander sometimes.
I humbly admit though, for as much ‘trouble’ as it appeared you were in, Moon, I’m surprised it came so fast. Well, to me it seems ‘fast’; I think you’re probably very sensitive and in that case vindication couldn’t come soon enough. I’m SO unbelievably happy that Karma not only came back around, but that it came in such a THOROUGH and delightful way. A divorce? WOW!
It’s so far fuckingly about time out!

Something is off about this. Is the Nina you are talking about the Nina from that other Jon and Kate site? And Saint too? Saint is Curious from that other blog?
Wait a minute, weren’t they the ones that accused you of being in on the Pennmommy scam and drug your name through the mud for months because you woudn’t say on your blog what they wanted you to.
Now they want you to take down this post. WTF.

I know I’m risking sounding like a dumb-ass…and I may be as confused as I am right now…but..

Possum lied about Pennmommy, Jason, William, sockpuppets, etc, etc, etc…I get that….

But..she’s telling the truth about the divorce ?

I think I’m with # 34 Joanne..

I’m grabbing a beer, popping some popcorn and will wait patiently for the next installment…

IMHO Re: #44

IMHO said, “Will you believe anything I say? I haven’t said much after being fooled by PM either. What is there to say? Perhaps Julie is erring on the side of caution because PM was THAT GOOD at fooling people. I was fooled, but I’m not a liar just because I was taken in.

The big difference here is that I didn’t base my belief in PM on you vouching for her. I believed Julie because I know who she is (in regards to the Gosselin world). I can completely understand Julie being scammed by PM just like the rest of us, but why pretend the entire thing never happened? She could have said she was taking time to figure out what really happened, as Moon did, and I would have respected that. From my standpoint as a previous supporter, Julie’s silence left me questioning her integrity and reliability.

“From my standpoint as a previous supporter, Julie’s silence left me questioning her integrity and reliability.”

I took her silence as someone deciding not to enter the fray and get down into the mud with the bloggers who were so determined to call her a liar (at best).
She may post occasionally on another site, but she hasn’t popped up all over the net asking about Possum. She didn’t enter into a war of words with anyone and for that, I give her some credit. As far as I am concerned, she didn’t owe me or anyone else an explanantion.

Here is some of Saint/Curious’s work in the “I care about the kids” department. Oh, and BTW. When Saint/Curious posted this at Calladus blog, Curious’s profile was available for viewing and it was easy to tie them together. Hello GDDNoP!!! This was quite awhile before she admitted it to you! I also believe Saint/Curious is the reason Berlie turned off remarks at HIS blog. Because of the constant badgering.

Curious said…
Now I wish I could respond to comments at Berlzebub’s blog!

Both you and Berlze (and others) called out Gosselins Do not Need Our Pity for exposing Penn Mommy as a fraud. Your accusations against the moderators of that blog were wrong and therefore unfair. I do think you should make some sort of acknowledgment that they were not acting in bad faith toward your friend, and that they do indeed have plenty of evidence to support sockpuppeting.
(NOTE: HERE SHE IS TELLING CALLADUS WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING. TELL THE WORLD WE WERE RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG!! EAT CROW!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!)

After re-reading some of Berlze’s posts on the topic, I have to add, he never seemed to get who was who straight in the drama. It mattered. Berlze was fed proof from a group of people who were online friends with your P-Momma, but not the mods at GDNNOP. A few times, he claimed GDNNOP sent him the personal info, book lists, wish list, etc. They didn’t. I really doubt they sent anything at all. It was the other group. That group can be pretty nasty, from what I can tell, and they were angry they were fooled. They don’t like GDNNOP either, and were glad to keep the atheist world confused, accusing the wrong group of people. What GDNNOP had went up, with personal info protected. The purpose of their Penn Mommy posts was to expose the PM blogger as a fraud and liar, something Berlze could agree with, apparently.
(NOTE: PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION HOW SAINT/CURIOUS TRIES TO LAY THE BLAME OF WHO OUTED PENN/POSSUM ON “THE OTHER GROUP”…”THEY CAN BE PRETTY NASTY & THEY WERE ANGRY THEY WERE FOOLED”. HAS ANYONE HEARD ONE PEEP OUT OF THAT “OTHER” GROUP? DID ANYONE HEAR THEM CLAIM THEY WERE ANGRY? ONCE AGAIN, GDDNoP READING THEIR AGNEDA INTO SOMEONE ELSE’S BUSINESS)

I understand completely why Berlze would want this to die down. Just remember, that’s what GDNNOP wanted. “Getting back to business” (see last comment) is what Berlze mocked GDNNOP for. The mods there actually handled themselves pretty well.
24/12/08 5:40 AM

(NOTE: SAINT/CURIOUS UNDERSTANDS HOW HE WANTS THIS TO DIE DOWN? SHE CAN’T POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND AS SHE IS OVER THERE BOTHERING HIM ABOUT IT MORE THAN ANYONE!! GDNNoP DID NOT WANT THIS TO DIE DOWN. OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN’T CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEIR POSTER/COMMENTERS TO BRING IT INTO CONVERSATION ALL THE TIME. IF YOU CAN STAND TO GO TO THEIR SITE AND READ, BE PREPARED TO FIND MENTION OF PENN OR POSSUM & THEN USUALLY JULIE IN JUST ABOUT EVERY THREAD. NO MATTER WHAT THE TITLE IS. “THE MODS THERE HANDLED THEMSELVES PRETTY WELL”……………………& I ASK, COMPARED TO WHAT??? VULTURES? VAMPIRES WAITING FOR DUSK TO DESCEND? SNARKY LITTLE CHEERLEADERS?

Saint/Curious is not listed as a moderator on that site but she certainly holds herself out as the defender of the faith. And I haven’t noticed any of the mods yanking on her leash and calling her to heel.

Yeah- I get it! It’s all about the kids!

Someone previously said Fiona was a mod at GWoP. Fiona never was and never would be a mod there. She had a few comments go through is all. Since she wasn’t allowed to hold court there, she left to another blog.

That’s exactly right that the other blog only wanted a response from Moon and others to shred it for their own delight. They are addicted to controversy and argument and will create it if they can’t find it.

It’s about the kids when there is nothing else to fall back on.

#70Karmashebeabitch
~That’s exactly right that the other blog only wanted a response from Moon and others to shred it for their own delight. They are addicted to controversy and argument and will create it if they can’t find it~

Another brainiac joins the group! It is true. They all have the same color of brown nose over there; they have to go outside their little Stepford World to find something to argue about. Otherwise it’s all about crock pot recipes, christmas songs, Julie and the seekret blog!

What gal pals???

Those gal pals.
The ones in Stepford World!!
Understood Giddy from the Heat!

Moon, at first when I saw this particular blog this morning I wasn’t really sure what to think about it. After a little (and I do mean a little) searching I noticed this divorce is all over the blog-o-sphere but yet you are the only one to post the actual cold hard facts that someone emailed to you. This whole PM drama has really never had an cold hard facts and finally at least there is something that can be readily checked. For that I commend you. Keep up the good work and like others I am grabbing my popcorn and beer to see this thing play out.

Marly said: “The big difference here is that I didn’t base my belief in PM on you vouching for her. I believed Julie because I know who she is (in regards to the Gosselin world). I can completely understand Julie being scammed by PM just like the rest of us, but why pretend the entire thing never happened?”

I guess, for me, Julie and the Gosselins were far far FAR out of the picture, and my bleeding suckers heart, when “Jason” got sick. So, to me, Julie has NOTHING to do with the entire PennMommy duplicity. I can see why you are upset that Julie’s endorsement tripped you up, but I feel you should be upset with yourself for letting that be your benchmark, not with her. Neither one of us know Julie personally. She was scammed as far as I can tell, and I wouldn’t have gone out there to try and explain things either, were I her. I don’t think she has all the answers yet anyway, or EVER will, so she’s smart to just dismiss herself from this entirely. I’m sure she was VERY hurt by all of this! GWoP vouched for PM, yet they didn’t explain their about face either.

PM had a loyal following on her blog who admired the way she wrote and handled her blog. It was a nice place to meet up! Then, she wove a heart rendering tapestry of such a sad, sad story - one that had many of us contacting REAL WORLD PEOPLE that WE REALLY KNOW - asking them for prayer and good wishes. By this time, we couldn’t have cared less about the Gosselin saga if we tried. No! PM’s son is so sick! PM is heartbroken! Her life! Her Family! Her Heart! Her entire World has just been rocked to the core! Great big sucker I apparently am, I would have believed her no matter who “vouched” for her. I cried at my keyboard - I prayed, I ached. I am not kidding here! And after I finally accepted the truth, I, too, pretended it didn’t happen. So, I defend her post PM blog actions. Nobody likes to be made a fool. Her blog isn’t/wasn’t an open blog like GWoP or Moons - she’s just a blogger like me except she puts stuff on her page. Frankly, I’m glad she does! But she does not owe me one bit of anything.

BTW, i just read a few things over at GDNNOP and it seemed to me that are quite a few posters who dislike the gosselins. it didn’t feel like a love fest to me, LOL. i did appreciate that they managed to covey their dislike without bashing the children or kate’s hair (although it is awful:)

No one ever - EVER - bashes the children here.

Kate’s hair should be a reasonable target, however.

Nina has been deleting comments, posts etc. if you go back, the “archives” are sparse.

I think I See Stupid People said it best when he/she told No More Drama that there is nothing but PITY for the Gosselins over there.

Now, Moon, forgive me if I am not following along, but what is your “Truth” (did I miss it some how?) Sorry if you have to spell it out, I have a headache today.

Anyway, I still believe that PM and Berlebub are the same people as well.

I find it funny how this situation mirrors the Jon and Kate perpetual scam. Some people are just kind. Kind enough to give you their last dollars even if they have been saving, if they think you need it more. I don’t know if PM asked for Window Coverings, but she the story she told got them for her. Jon and Kate? Same thing. Same old sob stories.

Post this if you like, it’s really meant just for you as I’ve lost your email address:
I had been thinking yesterday about wether or not you had come to a conclusion one way or another about this. I got my answer.
I just wanted to share that we’ve connected in the ether.
Cheers!

PS. these rounds with yahoos demanding satisfaction make me laugh to no end. I imagine they’re no fun from where you are, but you handle it wonderfully.

BohemianMoon-
Thanks for pointing me in the direction for the whole story! Whew!
I have some reading to do.
From what I have seen so far, their were sure some people out there that wanted to have you say sorry for defending the mother.
I just don’t know who wouldn’t defend a mom in most cases, especially one who has a really sick kid.
That was pretty heartless but that is just my opinion.
Anyway, thanks for letting me comment and now I will go back to reading.

hey x– if you’re truly an x gdnnoper, why don’t you know the Penn story?

I smell a perimanda.

Anyone tired of blog warring yet?

I have no respect for Moon. She is as bad as all the rest of the haters.

She had help with the moderators at Gwop and Msuings from the moon blog. This was a sick and twisted joke on all of you who believed her.

I do believe that the GWop mods and Bohemian Moon were a part of the scam, and I can’t help wondering why?? What are they trying to accomplish? Is their a religious or anti-religious agenda maybe?

This Bohemian Moon person who sees ghosts (maybe she does, but if she’s also intuitive why can’t she use her power to tune into one of these freaking mommys?) is lapping up the attention and the traffic on her blog.

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These are only a few comments from the other blog that Moon for her beliefs and/or were mean-spirited about Moon, when in many cases, she was a bystander in the whole PM mess.
Yeah, just like a lot of us, she sent prayers out to PM. She was asked repeatedly to recant what she said, to get with the posters who believed PM was a fraud. When she said she’d come to her own truth, she was flooded with messages about being some kind of nut.
One person made sure to mention her son’s name on a Topix board; if that isn’t intimidation, I’m not sure what is.
She also got scads of harassing messages from another blog’s posters, to the point of thinking she needed to check with her lawyer.
What in the world are some people thinking of?

for the record, Chrissy, I’ve been posting her for months and not hounding anyone. I’m not about to start now but I’d like to state for the record that, at the time, moon invited people to come over and basically duke it out on her turf. I took her up on her offer, we had a back and forth and I later decided that I don’t really care all that much.

Once again, I’m tired of the blog warring (yet realizing as I write this that I am feeding into it). There are a lot of accusations in this thread that are untrue about GDDNOP but I’m not going to bother because 1. none of you will believe what I have to say 2. its not important.

*kicks self for getting sucked in*

Bohemian Moon, this is the first time I have posted but have been reading for months now. I just wanted to thank you for keeping your word about telling your readers what you felt about Pennmommy and that she was a fraud. You were raked over the coals for a long time. I don’t know why you are again when what you wrote did not mention the other blog.

Anyways, thank you for keeping your word.

And this….

T-dog,
Good point.
I don’t know why someone who is obviously real (Calladus) would not admit that his friend has a little sockpuppet problem. Possum_momma has been doing this for years and has done more than just cost people “prayers.” She has received a free quilt and gift cards from the stamper’s forum posters, serious money (so they claim) from the gullible skeptics at the atheist blogs, and gifts for her children there, too. She also lies about famous people, and they’re never nice lies.

I am not holding my breath waiting on Calladus, though. If you look at PM’s blog, it appears she is having more real life difficulties. Calladus won’t abandon her when she’s down, and she’s really down right now. I wonder how much of her compulsive lying is at the heart of it.

Posted by: Curious | Dec 21, 2008 8:41:25 PM

Yes– this blog is a breath of fresh air as always…..

Justamin~I have had things going on in my personal life (on top of an extremely busy work schedule) that have sucked my time. I realize that this may seem like a lame answer but true nonetheless. I think caring about the Gosselins has become less of a priority for me when members of my own family are in need or when our nation is in crisis (again, I know it sounds lame). A 3 year old little baby’s life has been snuffed out. Now she sits in a cardboard box in some funeral home while her family scrambles to explain why they didn’t seek justice for her. Cases like this matter to me. Arguing over what Kate sold in yard sales, said to neighbor or wore on the show seems unimportant comparatively

With that being said (and knowing you won’t believe me), I can tell you that the women I’ve met at GDNNOP are wonderful women. No 2 people there agree on every issue but I guarantee these ladies would give anyone the shirt off of their backs. If you’ve read my Gosselin posts of late, some may look like they belong on GWoP. It doesn’t matter to them and I appreciate that.

Moon~as far as the fiasco today, I am wracking my brain to figure out how this turned into a war. I know you are not one to cower in the corner but I can tell you that I don’t think the aim was to bully you. I don’t want to go into it on the board but feel free to email me (I don’t have your email) and maybe I can explain what I know better. My email is lottadrama@gmail.com.

Moon, You mentioned upthread that Nina from GDNNOP contacted one of your readers and said something “big” is happening next week? I think I may know what it is. It looks like Nina or someone from GDNNOP wrote about it on ABC Health. It has to be them since they are the ones who took screen shots of everything Penn Mommy/Possum did back in October and said they had it all saved in a safe place.

I just saw this when I went to look Curious up on ABC Health. (I originally went over there because I am having a hard time believing the same Curious who commented on ABC Health is writing these things to you, Moon.) Anyway, as luck would have it, I found this too:

I think someone should copy all of this crazy stuff and hand it all over to the police and this whack job’s husband’s lawyer.

Posted by: jacksprat | Jan 4, 2009 2:13:53 PM

It is a federal crime to not only make threats on the internet but to also create a hoax for financial gain.

I suggest that people who have been threatened (even veiled threats) or know of monetary loss due to the PM fraud make contact at that following links:

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm

contact your local field office and speak with a field agent.

https://tips.fbi.gov/

make contact online.

This is something that has gotten out of hand and is now getting dangerous. All information with screen shots on blogs have been recorded and have already been turned in to a field agent and will be turned in Monday to the Courts in Kern County and the spouse’s attorney.

I also suggest no one make threats to PM as well. Just make your legal contacts and be done with it.

I am not going to attempt to diagnose what is wrong with this person, however things that are going on are wrong and have gone to the criminal at this point.

Pasted from

Amanda,
NoMoreDrama has an affiliation with a certain blog, as did Serena, I specifically put quotes around the “her” to designate, not ownership but affiliation.

Also, around the end of October, I e-mailed Serena about her absence and this is part of her reply.

“I’m not affiliated with GWoP any more… haven’t been for several weeks now. It’s too early to tell if that is permanent or not.”

As for NoMoreDrama, your presence is missed at GDNNOP. While you have been able to deal with the women over there on a more personal level, I still do not agree with the stance they take defending, ratiionalizing and even justifying the actions of Jon and Kate Gosselin.

In a way, my response was to find out if it was really you and not someone pretending to be you……. it appears there has been a lot of id hijacking.

Moon - as always thank you.

went to bathroom . . . came back to 20 new posts!

My opinion??? I believed PenMom but kinda lost track when her son got sick. If people prayed for a phony person it didn’t hurt anybody. If people are accusing you, a independent blogger of having something to do with this, they are witch hunting (no offense, moon).
Who cares? Those who were fooled? Get over it.

He/She/it is loving this attention.

Moon, I just had another thought. Maybe P-Offed is a poster from GDNNOP who turned rank and posted some of their info here instead of there. THAT would piss me off. I can’t for the life of me understand their great concern otherwise.

In the words of nomoredrama : *kicks self for getting sucked in*

Damn!
Outta beer. Though it sure is cozy with all you gals on the couch. Hey Amanda, pass the popcorn.

Re#120

fxfanatic said, “My opinion??? I believed PenMom but kinda lost track when her son got sick. If people prayed for a phony person it didn’t hurt anybody. If people are accusing you, a independent blogger of having something to do with this, they are witch hunting (no offense, moon).
Who cares? Those who were fooled? Get over it.

He/She/it is loving this attention.”

I have to disagree here. IMO while Possum does love playing the victim, it’s only because she loves having her groupies come to her rescue. I don’t see that happening this time. No one is jumping on the poor possum has been mistreated bandwagon and rallying the troops to prove her innocence. In fact, her most vocal supporters remain silent. This is simply negative attention and she has no way to put her usual spin on it.

And while I know this comment wasn’t directed at me, I have to say that I am tired of people saying that anyone interested in this subject should “get over it”. I personally got over it a long time ago. I just find the subject very interesting and don’t really see the difference in following Penn/Possum vs. following the Gosselins. Just because someone is interested in something doesn’t mean they have a vendetta to prove.

Moon I have lurked here for about three months and wanted to thank you for the archived links for J&K. I simply am in search of the truth about these two good or bad. I feel the income per episode or movie of almost every TV personality is public knowledge why not these two. Very few movie persoanlities accept donations from the public, like these two still do, as witnessed in a recent episode “Yard sale”. I find so many things that do not add up from what they say, what they do or appear to do and what actually is the case.

Most recently Kate is being quoted as they both lost their jobs due to the pregnancy. I guess the FMLA doesn’t apply to them, and even she contradicts herself on this comment with her comments she makes on the show. She decided to quit her job to be a stay at home mom. Many people may wonder why it matters to me. It matters because it tells of the integrity of the person, and is commonly a tactic used by attorneys to despair the comments of someone they are questioning.

I say all this because contrary to what some want in regards to the the PM ordeal, most want the truth. Why do those that previously demanded you to admit the truth now want this thread to vanish. I feel by finding out to what lengths the GDNNOP people Curious/Saint and Nina went to expose PM, IP address captures, phone calls to hospital, ME’s whomever, they have done the same thing they accused GWOPers of doing when the real estate purchase was announced, that was called “cyber stalking”. So obviously this begs the question why is one a search for truth and the other when done to out the Gosselins “cyber stalking”.

Good Morning BohemianMoon.
I think I have finally made it thru the Pennmomma stuff on your blog and then followed//found the other things.
That must have been some thing when it was going on! I think I would have done the same thing and believed that poor Pennmomma’s story too.
All the stuff that GDDNOP came up with about her was awsome! But how come it’s okay for them to do it and not you? Well, okay, I know you didn’t write the story at the top but you know what I mean.
The story on the ACb neews health story page is interesting too. I had heard of the disease where mom’s make their own kids sick but didn’t know about an internet version. I know it seems I stumbled into that very thing.
Some of you have been at this awhile longer than me, so please bear with me when I ask stupid questions okay?
I still would like to know who perimanda is? Is it a bad thing to get called that?
I do have another question. Judi and Jodi are sisters and Jodi is the wife of Kate Gosselins brother? Why is everyone so mad at Judi? On GDDNOP they really don’t like her at all and all I can get is that she said Pennmomma was real. I think that the other blog ladies just don’t like anyone who says bad things about Kate Gosselin. Maybe they are mad cause Judi has met Kate before and they haven’t? I liked the video of the two sisters together on the chair but felt sad for both of them. I wish I had a sister to defend!!!
This blog is really awesom and I can’t wait to comment more!!!

I, for 1 am sorry that Possum & Berlie are getting a divorce. Divorce is the premature death of a family. I do wish that this motivates Possum to get the help she so desperately needs.

The amount of information published in this entry, in my opnion, is too detailed and just, well, too much. It would have been simple to say: Yes, Pennmommy was fake and she has lots of problems, including a divorce pending (as stated on her own blog). Dang, I got scammed, etc. Even a well-thought out summary of everyplace on the internet she was fake at would be interesting. Providing specific details on her legal issues and her medical content goes too far.

Just because something is public information, doesn’t make it “right” to publish. Legal - sure I guess, Titallating - yes, Mean - yes, Moral - not in my code book.

But, it’s not my blog and Moon can certainly publish what she wants. And, of course, readers - not just me - form opinions about the publisher as a result.

~People did not like that because it was not the way that THEY felt she should have handled it and called for her head, much the same way that they called for mine.~

That has baffled me from the beginning with the whole PM mess. Just because some people feel that not giving the woman one more minute of attention is the way to go, others because they don’t get their way, try to make it seem horribly wrong.

I have been continually amazed and fascinated that there are bloggers who have made themselves a part of this controversy and also elected themselves moral judge and jury. They have made it very clear how someone should react and if that person has not reacted to their own satisfaction - confessed and appeared guilty or contrite enough - then that person is called “nutty,” “slimy,” a “bitch” or a “witch,” and I am being kind.
And the people who originally outed Possum now want you to take down a post because it could harm the kids? Again, someone who wants to dictate how others think and behave.
Where was the concern when it was the topic for months and months on blogs? Where was the concern when every thread on blogs turned into a PM/Possum/Julie bashing party. Where was the concern when certain people were fishing on blogs for information on Possum? Couldn’t her kids have gotten on a computer then and read anything and everything posted about their mother? Only now, when information is posted on this blog do they become outraged and become child advocates?
One thing that really stands out is how much leeway these self-appointed judges are willing to grant to J&K Gosselin in aspects of a pretty well-documented life that doesn’t hold up too well to public scrutiny (at their own request), yet the judges can’t seem to find the same compassion for others.
None of it rings true for me.

OK, I missed part of the program. Berlie is really p-daddy? Or is that a joke?

Thanks. I was wondering if I’d really missed something when someone else posted that.

It is indeed quite a joke that someone accuses P-Daddy of being Berlie. In fact, that is probably Possummomma herself or a friend … if she has any … (Calladus? Vamp?) that posted that suggestion. Probably the same person who suggested he was an atheist. I have no doubt that Possummomma in her crazy state is going to do everything she can to make ridiculous allegations to tear down P-Daddy. Perhaps that is one of the allegations. Possummomma is NUTS and people that are NUTS play dirty. My guess is that P-Daddy is well prepared for it. Per Possummomma’s own blog there is ample evidence to refute such a nonsensical allegation. Any of them.

Oh, but I wasn’t telling you what to do BoheminaMoon!!!

X GDNNOP-er, for a second I thought you were going to say you went to Amazon and ordered, “Multiple Ble$$ings” and I was going to YELL at you. Ha ha ha, I would never put a penny in their pockets.

Moon,

I have never once doubted your complete & total honesty in each & ever subject here–
You have always been above board on every subject–
I wish I had the words to convey to new posters here the quality & truthfulness in all your “Musings”–
They never disappoint–
You are appreciated–

Ok think I am getting this?? Pennmommy claimed to know the Gosselins?? then she started talking about other kinda crazy things and people got sucked into the madness?? Did I get it right ?? Do I win?? Winning being still kinda confused and feeling way out of it

Hi, just stepping in to say how much I love this blog, and how enjoyable I find Moon’s postings. A lot of common sense, a lot of wit, and some great snark - you’re my kinda gal!

I was heavy into reading the various blogs during the PennMommy drama, but the Possummamma revelation and subsequent crap is just too much for me. I think I get the gist of it, and that’s more than enough. Someone mentioned above not knowing what PM looks like - if you go to Google images and put in PM, you get pictures of a Bakersfield bloggers group, and there is a woman who is supposedly her.

And to paraphrase Roy Scheider - I think you’re going to need a bigger couch!

Busy Busy here today Moon!
Yowza! Lots of newbies joining in the mix, which is always fun to see.
And as always you are gracious to a fault to all but especially the ones who need alittle extra help.
I don’t even really know wher to begin. I do think back fondly to the days when it was you, me and ISSP thumbing through the Stalker Threads catalog and fretting over brussel sprouts and cheese sauce.
Oh! For the simple days to return!
So, not sure why they was the big panty in a knot thing yesterday because today there is NO mention, NOT A PEEP, nada, zilch, zip of anything Possum/Penn/Julie/Looney or 3 over at GDNNoP. The discussion centers on filtered water and the pros and cons thereof.
Pretty deep stuff for bullies!
Must be akin to being at a White House Dinner and being introduced by the Sgt. at Arms. And as you (finally) make it all the way to your table, the person seated next to you is kind enough to lean over and whisper that there is toilet paper hanging out the back of your slacks.
Priceless!

I don’t know a whole lot about this p-momma situation, but I love the screaming possum at the top of the page. After reading a few comments I don’t know how someone could come on your blog and question your integrity, that is just insane! I love this blog and all of the recaps.

~Possumomma hurt a lot of people. But as you know, prayers, even prayers for a farce, are never wasted! I believe they are simply passed on to whomever happens to need them at the time ~

That’s a comforting thought. I, too, shed tears over “Jason” and his family and was so upset at first that it’s a good thing I don’t live near Bakersfield. But it is good to think that the prayers and good thoughts were passed to someone who needed them.

Awww, Carol Sue I remember that! I don’t exactly remember the topic either, but it WAS fun. The good old days of what, 4 months ago? Thank YOU for bantering along with us. I don’t get over here much anymore, but the past two days have been too crazy to miss all of the, well, crazy! Hope the little one is doing well.

I’m glad you are back!

BM:

So the truth is out… I am glad that I know the truth, but sad that there is someone out there that feels she needs put on such a big production and for what?? attention? money? now she is losing her family.. so sad. Thanks for keeping your word and blogging about what has been found out.

Hi Moon !
I am a long time reader, first time poster. As a mom of 2, one who was born prematurely, for awhile I found Kate Gosselin to be an inspiration. It was the julie blog that got me thinking , and then of course discovering the pennmommy blog, while searching the whole drama, I discovered this blog and greatly admired your sense of humor and wit during this whole saga of pmommy/momma. I’ve found myself coming here everyday to read your blogs and am glad you’ve been able to find your truth, it’s one of those things where none of us wanted to believe the truth, cuz it was so awful, but this blog is a wonderful place for my to dip my toe in the blogging waters. Love this blog !

#179Gator
Thanks, Moon. Oh well, I wondered why all the PM conversation on GDNOP stopped so abruptly and the complaint du jour became water filters!

Just shows me that there are only a few regular posters if the mods can clamp the lid so tight on a subject you know they are discussing behind the scenes.

I agree with VOR.

The details of this divorce may be public record but how many of your readers would actually look it up? I would not. Do people really even need to know that she’s getting divorced let alone all the specifics? What do the details of her divorce have to do with Jon and Kate plus 8? To me this post seems to be exploiting a real, human person’s problems for what? Entertainment? Juicy gossip? Not any useful information, IMO. I do think Possummomma lied, but she is also a person who is going through a divorce - something that would be difficult for anyone. The tone of the post is mean. Mean to someone who may have a diagnosable mental illness. So I am asking the author of this article, what is the purpose of this story?

No one need say, “But so and so on this blog said this…” I am just stating my opinion regarding this article and I am not interested in getting into a blog war.

Also, please don’t tell me that if I don’t like it then don’t read it. I came here to see if anyone had any new evidence that Possummomma made up Pennmommy. Plus, Moon seems like the type of person that would appreciate a comment that doesn’t name call.

Moon-
1) You rock
2) I believe I will take the peeps as they are the least scary thing on the list of winnings
3) I did try to read all about PennMommy/Possum but my head felt like it was in a vice and I had to stop before the screaming was heard by the neighbors
4) Why is “The Secret” so bad?? My mom bought me the book for Christmas and I was about to read it when I read this
and 5) Hope it’s ok that I “lurk” here and love all this and smile a lot as I don’t think that I do it enough in my “real life”.
Emily

mommyzinger
I agree with VOR.
[]Do people really even need to know that she’s getting divorced let alone all the specifics?

I’d buy this argument if Possum hadn’t posted it on her blog, if Vamp and others hadn’t posted it on their blogs. You can not have things both ways - either it’s public and you want people to know by publishing it or you don’t, and you respect yourself and your children’s privacy by staying off the Internet.
Possum opened the door, GDNP walked through it and exposed her. She’s continued to post and try to spin stories in the face of reasonable evidence. This is just the latest chapter.

And, one more thing: Given her history of drama and the fund-raising efforts on her behalf in the past, was anyone surprised when “Karen” offered financial assistance in a comment on the blog? Offered to help a fund-raising effort? Divorces aren’t cheap, especially when you’re an invalid and taking care of four kids. That money was going to come from somewhere and Possum knows the public has sent her money in the past (almost $4,000 for window film).
Many suspect that the next steps in the Pennmommy hoax were going to involve funds for a tombstone (I read that on GDNP), so it’s a logical step to think raising money to help in the “surprise” divorce wouldn’t be too far behind.
So, if Moon stopped yet another scheme before it could start by revealing the true timeline of the proceedings, I say good on her.

Peri half of the Perimanda checking in. It’s nice to know that I’m noticed enough to warrant becoming part of a nickname. Hi Moon, I read, but as you can tell don’t normally post. Thanks for the entertainment.

Karen M said~
“Maybe I’m reading too much into the blog entry by thinking that is was done to reveal the latest lie, in addition to Moon letting her truth be known, rather than to provide a gossipy chronology of events, but that’s my take.”
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Thank you so much for finally putting into words the EXACT thing that I think Moon was trying to do…hopefully all the naysayers read your comment!

Hey all,

I was feeling “invasive” so I googled Possum Momma and came up with this:
http://www.myspace.com/86703940

If this is the same person, this two-sandwiches-short-of-a-picnic personis in her 50’s… So the little ones are likely not too little - more like teenagers. Also, by her own blog, this will be her 2nd divorce.
Intersting…

I have always thought Berlie and PM were one and the same - only because Berlie has admitted to meeting PM in person. There were others who had admitted to meeting PennMommy in person, so obviously they were “plants” made by PennMommy herself.

Calladus admits to only knowing PM over the internet. I think he is “famous” in the Atheist circles.

#298 justaminute
You have it backwards
Calladus wrote about meeting all of the family at the Fresno Zoo. Berlie has admitted to never having met them/her in person.

#209 Lynn1
Welcome. It sounds like you have been through the wringer more personally than anyone here. Those who have done any research at all, for their own sake, know that this woman has made up a great deal of things that are not true. If anyone believes Berlie is Pdaddy, then they are not reading correctly or haven’t bothered to check anything out. I think everyne following this saga would love to hear the other side of the story (Pdaddy’s). HE doesn’t blog about his wife or children so we only know what SHE puts out there. And if anyone has learned anything, it is to not believe a word she says unless you have verified it through other sources. I guess that is why I support this post.

omg.. this is all making my overtired brain hurt.. i think this is the most commented thread EVER..

i feel like a freak because i didnt follow the whole penn/possum bs… so i’m so out of the loop.. i just like to read what BM posts because she’s intelligent and funny.. and while on bedrest a couple of months ago, that was a hard combination to find on the internet.. (im since off bedrest and back at work.. so i don’t have as much time to lurk in the shadows…)

Peri,
Nope, don’t think you’re a troll…if you recall, I said ” I don’t necessarily think that it was Peri or Manda specifically on here trolling but I use their names more symbolically”

You are, however, an AWESOME lurker ( I mean, the best of the best)…I think that’s what you add to the ‘group’. It takes a special dedication to do what you do and I get a tingly feeling knowing that when your friends come out to play, I am in the presence of sheer and utter comic genius.

ISSP - I bow to your wisdom - I’m still confused!

You know what I lost in the whole PennMommy thing? A few prayers that’s all! Considering Possum is an Atheist, I didn’t really lose anything!

The sleuthing done at GDNNOP? While, I am glad a ruse was exposed, it was done in such a “neener neener neener” fashion, I got turned off. When PennMommy started talking about her “son” I totally forgot her “story” started with the Gosselins, I was genuinely concerned about her.

When she was exposed, GDNNOP brought it all back to the “you can’t trust anyone who says Jon and Kate are bad”, all the while giving themselves high fives.

I still lurk over there, but I can’t get over how half there posts talk about what’s happening elsewhere and how all the show talk starts with “I liked the episode”!

Lisa,
At first I was wondering if you were claiming that Carol Sue and I were the same person! I had to read it twice! lol Too much talk about sockpuppets, I guess. My head is spinning from all of this.

But, yeah, I keep repeating myself but I am glad that something concrete is published, and not just speculation.

justaminute, no bowing allowed! Just shove over and share the beer! I’ve been so sucked in by this whole mess that I feel like I am “watching” a new twist in some crazy far fetched soap opera plot.

Nomoredrama keeps promising to stay away, so I’m not sure why she keeps coming back. Yes, she certainly is living up to her name, isn’t she? I really hold out hope for her though. She can play nicely on other threads here. This one seems to get her riled up. The more the merrier though. I think, with a few brewski’s in her, she’d be a real cut up and a great addition to the “couch potatoes” that have spilled all of that popcorn. Maybe she meant to say “perimenopause”. I hear that is a real slimy bitch.

Interesting read. Thank you for unraveling the tangled web. What a mess.

I love, love, love the possum picture, by the way.

Ah, there’s a CaliGirl here! That’s my name on a Voy Board! I’ll have to not get confuzelated as we say there. I forgot to have my daughter bring me a bottle of creme sherry. Maybe I can catch her before she leaves the house.

Well, how’s that for a nice welcome? What’s your issue, karmashebeabitch?

Submitted respectfully, “Possummomma” lives in my town, and until you can say the same and have the same local experience here I would stop defending what you misunderstand.

Thanks, CaliGirl. I was shaking my head going how was that insulting? I’ll pass the creme sherry.

Could you or would you clarify a bit about the local experience and possummama?

Ahhh! Big time lightbulb moment. Moon, I know you will be the only one to read this (because it is so old)but I had to say something.
The pieces are finally falling into place after reading this. I was a newbie over at GWOP and did not know what all the hub-bub was about with 3 farm, PMom, and all the rest.

I will probably never see your response because I really do not remember how I got on here..LOL But I wanted to say that I am glad I found this site. I have been so bored online lately and now I found a place that really truly makes me laugh!